Is it recommended we take on the banks with the notice yet?

Hello,
My mortgage repayment is due tomorrow. I am not behind in my payments.
I have removed the money from the account, so the payment will not go through.
I intend to use the courtesy notice when the reminder comes through.
I have just read a comment that suggests it is not recommended that we take on the [alleged] banks with the courtesy notice just yet. Is this true? Why? Am I jumping the gun?

Hey Captain,

You stated you are up to date on your payments and your intent is to withhold payment to provoke your lender in sending you a reminder notice to which you will then send a Courtesy Notice.
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There are 0 topics and 0 posts. There are no examples as of YET, of any successes that can be considered a precedent or a solid guideline towards consistent remedy. It would be wise, for now anyway, to allow the system to self correct a bit more before you take such drastic steps. Of course, the choice is yours, but ask yourself, are you hoping the paperwork will defend you? Or are you knowledgeable enough to defend the paperwork? We need to be prepared for a system that will not go down without a fight, but those that are truly prepared for that confrontation will be victorious.

Hello SanativeRevolution, thank you.
Yes, the zero won thread presents very little in the way of joy- for any of us. Very much looking forward to 1 won appearing!
I am totally ignorant of the paperwork, the system and how it all works.
I am armed with no more than the courtesy notice, the instructions for its use, and my being-that's it.
My approach is akin to jumping off a cliff with the intention of learning to fly on the way down. A leap of faith you might say, on a wing and a prayer, without the wing!
The prayer is that the community will provide the wing, and perhaps some tail feathers, nice colourful ones would be nice, and instructions for there use.
I will go through with it, but very gently. I am hoping to engage someone from the alleged bank along these lines; The monies sit in the bank account for the bank to see. If you can rebut the UCC filings the money is there, and it is yours. No more than a late payment. Fair? Gives me a way out.
Like I said, on a wing and a prayer.
I may pop in such questions as;
1. produce documentation of prior title, ownership and rights to the money they purportedly loaned me
2. produce documentation of the history and origin of funds that they purportedly had prior title, ownership and rights to that they purportedly loaned me (banking requires 3 generations at least if not all the way back to issuance/creation of the alleged funds...this is why banks issue a letter of origin/history of funds)
3. produce documentation of the actual transaction and transfer of said funds (prior title, ownership, and rights) from loaner to borrower (invoicing/receipts)

In truth I stand quaking on the precipice , but I just want to get the hell on with it...
Failing that, my unfilled census forms are to be collected soon, one way or t'other, I'm going to give it a crack...

Thanks again,
Kind Regards,
Ron.

So the answer is not yet I take it, and wait until there is one example.

Maybe there's a another more commendable approach in that we have individuals willing to "test" the waters before we dive into ourselves. Are we not as courageous or selfless for doing so instead of waiting for solid proof of remedy? I don't think so and I will tell you why. I have been through the gambit of "freedom processes and remedies" for over a decade. From sight drafts, bills of exchange, A4V, EFT, UCC, SPC, Jordan Maxwell, Tim Turner, Winston Shrout, Jaguar, Captain Jade, Fred & Nina, Druanna Johnston, Illuminating Minds, Sovereign Warriors, Redress Right, and the list goes on and on. These individuals, and many others, and the processes they happened upon, are certainly a foundation for where we are at now. BAR NONE. However, the success stories are very limited and hardly verifiable. There can be no doubt that they are all on to something, pointing in the same direction, but on different paths. Bottom line, in my experience, it works for a short time and then the door is slammed shut.

We need to take care in that we need to have all of the information made available in order to make the best choice. We need to study and become highly competent of the subjects and processes we intend to reference and employ. Most of the reasons why these "paths" go from paved to gravel, is that a majority of individuals simply do the process without having the knowledge to back it up. It becomes a scam to them, realistically some are, and they throw their hands in the air because the quick fix they were promised never happened. WE ALL WANT FREEDOM, and we ABSOLUTELY deserve every ounce of it! The easiest way to comprehend what you should know before undertaking any process as it relates to freedom, is to access and understand the complexity of the system your trying to break free from.

I'm sending out a Courtesy Notice tomorrow to a third party debt collector. The debt to them is real, although I certainly know that's not true. This is a great first step, for me, in regards to seeing what can be accomplished without risking too much. The success of this initial sending will of course solidify remedy for me, and possibly others, AT THIS LEVEL only. If not, WE STILL PRESS ON and do our best to free each other, with love, respect, and complete understanding.

Very well said, SanativeRevolution. Thank you for bringing such clarity and sanity to what I'm sure many of us are struggling with in our minds and hearts.

I, too, am currently conducting a small-scale, relatively low-risk experiment with the Courtesy Notice. I sent one Notice to each of the several property tax collection workers in my county government, specifically in response to having received (as a direct result of some willful action or inaction by some one of them) a "property tax delinquency statement" claiming that I owe ~$30 due to their belief that one of my 2012 tax installments was late (possibly by one day). My plan, for now, is to limit this experiment to interactions with these workers related only to this specific, claimed property tax delinquency. If I receive another delinquency statement related to this original $30 claim, I will proceed with the invoicing step.

After this year's (2013) tax "bill" (statement) comes out (in June, I think), and before the 30 September due-date for the first payment installment, I will assess where we are in the course of OPPT's release of "Absolute Data," and depending on the results of that assessment, I will decide whether to regard the 2013 tax bill as a completely new infraction by an illegitimate corporate government or retreat temporarily from the fray and pay the tax.

With this limited, probing approach, I will have:

1. At least planted a seed in the hearts and minds of the tax collection workers whom I have directly engaged as Respondents via the Courtesy Notice (and, if it comes to that, the subsequent invoices).
   
2. Perhaps also drawn the attention of one or two, more senior government-workers-of-conscience in the chain of command above my Respondents, and perhaps also of a member or two of the legal profession.
   
3. Learned a tad more about the "system [we are] trying to break free from."
   
4. Possibly been put on some "conspiracy theorist" list, or worse, a "potential terrorist" list. This would be unfortunate, but if it brings a deeper examination of my life and how I strive to live it with full authenticity and love for all beings, then perhaps it will lead to the enlightenment of even more agents of the corporate government to the fact of their own enslavement.
   

Peace and courage to you all.

Thank you both, and good luck with your endeavours.
There is not a right or wrong approach in all this. (except thinking makes it so)
There is no criticism in what I say, subtle or otherwise.
The call is to BE and Do.
The banks etc have either been foreclosed upon, or not. Which is it?
Trouble is, by the time I become completely au fait with admiralty law, statutes, acts, common law, legalese, the system, the UCC and all the rest, everyone would have gone, packed up and living comfortably on Mars, with me still

I certainly appreciate there is a downside to approaching all this without any real knowledge of how it all works. I am in danger of being completely steamrollered, chewed up and spat out, left with nothing but grief as my reward.
So be it.

I shifted monies out from the account that pays the mortgage.
The bank collected the mortgage payment by putting the account into overdraft. Bugger!
A request to shift money into the account to clear the overdraft is not quite what I am after- of course.
I will go to the bank today and withdraw all the monies- at some stage they will come asking. No doubt.
Me and my courtesy notice will be waiting.

I wish contact, I wish to engage, I just want to get on with it!
I have an out- I can just pay and leap again to safety. Who knows what happens? I don't.
And I never will unless I actually Do something!
I am not a doer, never have been.
This then is me rising up against myself, my restrictive, fearful, ego self. I have had a guts full of him, and this is a process of letting him go, or so it seems to me. Don't you just love fear?

The other thing is, despite your perhaps thinking me a fool, I know you will support me in any way you can, whether that be through happy thoughts, or aiding with the appropriate forms, you, the community at large, will be there.
That is important.

Then there is always the census forms...

Thank you all. All together, we shall prevail- no doubt about it.

cptn_fantastic wrote:The other thing is, despite your perhaps thinking me a fool, I know you
will support me in any way you can, whether that be through happy
thoughts, or aiding with the appropriate forms, you, the community at
large, will be there.
That is important.

Absolutely! ¸¸♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸¸Just call our name and we'll be there.¸¸♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸¸

Always.

I'm right there with you on trying this out with the banks. Last week we received a letter from an alleged law firm stating they have been retain to foreclose on our house. I'm jumping in with a courtesy notice to see what happens. I know this is the right thing to do. Anything else is dishonorable. Besides, I know the positive energy and support from this growing community will help if I need it. We need to believe it to see it!

1determinedmom wrote:We need to believe it to see it!

I think I understand what you're saying, but for me it's actually the opposite. I need to see it before I believe it. In the meantime, I temporarily posit a hypothesis and conduct experiments to prove or disprove it. It's usually easier to disprove something than to prove it, because it's nearly impossible to test every single case.

Greetings,
I've been doing a lot of reading looking for the details on how to do this "right." I got through a meditation last week, to have faith and go for it. I'm like some of the others who are paid up on their mortgage, prepared with a courtesy notice and faith. If we all wait for a success story, no one will forge ahead. So, please keep us posted.
My payment is to JP Morgan and was considered late as of 3/16. I'm still doing research to learn the proper steps. Share what you learn, I've listened to so many blogs. Its good to learn what others derive from it.
Abundant blessings,
Debbie