New case in Florida!

I will be sending out my first series of Courtesy Notices tomorrow to the attorneys for Wells Fargo they chose to have represent them here in the Tampa Bay area, and to the judge who is to preside over the conference call between their attorneys and mine, on 3/28/2013. I will not be informing my attorney of this maneuver until after they are sent, for obvious reasons.

Would it be wise to inform my attorney to now defend my case based on the Courtesy Notices now?

Thank you in advance for any help/pointers/tips/etc.

JC

JC,

I am not qualified to comment as to whether and when to disclose your Courtesy Notice mailing to your attorney.

But may I ask to what specific types of communications -- from the bank attorneys and the judge -- you referred in your Courtesy Notices?

Please do keep us informed. Note that this forum is completely public.

Marbolot

I too am going to attempt to send Wells Fargo attorneys out of Ft. Lauderdale courtesy notices. It is a firm that filed in polk county and my wife and i got served sat the 23rd, there is one main lawyer Marchall C Watson and several associates(12). His firm was a part of of the foreclosure mill settlements that happened a while back. He has since renamed his firm CHOICE LEGAL GROUP,PA. and they only represent servicers and banks. So I don't know which one sent or filed the court papers so I'll send a courtesy notice to all that work there. the papers said I have 20 days to file a written responce, So thats my plan.

But I do have one question if someone can answer. Do I have to file a responce at the courthouse or to them, they sent an envelope self addressed to themselves?

Thanks and good luck to all, I do believe in this, Will H.

Will, I think you're right to send a Courtesy Notice to each of the lawyers at CHOICE LEGAL GROUP, each one as if the communication came from that individual lawyer. That way, you're bound to "hit" the one who did originate the communication to you, and the others will also now know what will happen if they try to communicate with you. Also, if you can find out the names of the firm's paralegals or other attorney "helpers" who might have been involved in printing the notice, addressing the envelope and putting it in the mail, why not send them Courtesy Notices, too?

Hales, Bartle & Bartle (sounds like a law firm, eh?) make it pretty clear that you want to notice the lowest-level individuals who likely were directly involved in any way in causing that communication to reach your mailbox. Our tendency is still to want to go after "the big guys," but if in fact all corporations are foreclosed as the OPPT trustees say, then there are no more "big guys" and everyone in every (former) corporation is now acting as an individual.

In answer to your question,

wajah2 wrote:But I do have one question if someone can answer. Do I have
to file a responce at the courthouse or to them, they sent an envelope
self addressed to themselves?

If by "file a response," you mean the Courtesy Notice, I think it's best to use the postal service to do your servicing for you. For my own Courtesy Notices, which I'm sending today to some low-level individuals in my county's tax collections office, I'm using Certified mail (cheaper than Registered, which requires the postal service to keep it under lock and key), restricted delivery (so that only the addressee may receive it), return receipt required (green card).

Also, I suggest you not think of yourself as responding to their presentment. This is why the Courtesy Notice says that you received a communication that purports to be something official. You are not responding to that communication. You are, instead, responding to having received a "thing" whose validity you do not recognize, and you want to inform them that if they attempt to communicate with you again in the future, there's a price. It follows, also, that you would not use their self-addressed reply envelope! Use your own envelope and mail it to the CHOICE LEGAL GROUP's physical address.

Thanks M, Ill try to find the lower people and send to them also.

The attorneys I am sending them to are who Wells Fargo referred to as "Client 718" on their initial letter to me that my "account" was being turned over to them for foreclosure. I'm not sure if any of you have heard of the THOR system, (The Homeowners' Revolt), but I used that against Wells Fargo and it really rattled their cage... so much that they jumped on sending me a "Summons" as soon as they became aware of what I was doing. The attorneys from Tampa who will be receiving my Courtesy Notices are Ronald R. Wolfe & Associates, including his partner, Matthew Wolf. Yep, the big, bad wolves are trying to come for me, but they have no idea what's in store for them! Since I already received my summons and hired an attorney to respond (we haven't even begun to use the THOR documents yet), the document I am referencing is their "NOTICE OF FILING," which lists the amounts they say I owe, etc. I suppose I could have used the original summons, but at this point because my case has actually advanced in the court system a little, I figured I'd use the most recent filing from them. From my understanding, if you send to the head honchos, there is no need to send them to their subordinates as it is their responsibility to pass this information down to them and that once you serve the big boss, that's as far as you need to go, unless you receive something else from another individual from that agency for some reason. Then you can send one to that individual as well. So Ronald and Matthew are on my list, as is the alleged; "Honorable" Judge Thomas H. Minkoff, who is supposed to preside over a 5-minute (what a joke) conference call between my attorney, who filed a "MOTION TO DISMISS" on December 26th, and the big, bad wolves who filed their response to that. The document I am using to send the judge his notice is the "NOTICE OF TELEPHONE HEARING" I received from one of Ronald R. Wolfe's associate attorneys, which references the judge and lists the address of the courthouse and courtroom. In the second section where I'm supposed to list the name as it is on the top of the notice, I put the judges name, via Kimberly L. Garno, (the associate from Ronald R. Wolfe's office who prepared the filing). I figured it was perfect timing since the conference call is over a month away. I suppose I will ask to meet with my attorney before then, and go over all of the information from the OPPT with them at that time. I'm sure if they haven't heard, they will be shocked.

I think what you're doing is fine, and then we have to change our "heads" a bit.

DrummerBoyFL wrote:From my understanding, if you send to the head honchos, there is no need
to send them to their subordinates as it is their responsibility to
pass this information down to them and that once you serve the big boss,
that's as far as you need to go, unless you receive something else from
another individual from that agency for some reason.

This is the point: There are no more "head honchos," "subordinates," or "big boss[es]," because there are no more corporations. This is also why the Courtesy Notice references the Principal Agent Doctrine, which means that no matter whom you send the Courtesy Notice to, if they "instruct, direct, or conspire with colleagues in pursuing damaging actions against" you, they will compound their liability. Also, the Courtesy Notice says that if those "colleagues ... detrimentally damage [you], they will be made jointly and severally liable." So, even if you only sent the Courtesy Notice to the mail room clerk who caused the NOTICE OF FILING to be put into the postal system with your address on it, if that mail room clerk "conspires" with any of the attorneys (your "head honchos") to take further action against you, both the mail room clerk and the attorney may be invoiced. Yes, now the mail room clerk and the "head honcho" attorney are nothing more than colleagues, not "boss" and "subordinate".

The thing would be then, how to prove that the mail room clerk did in fact do their job and route the letter correctly. If there are no more courts, then how will these people be proven wrong so that they are no longer able to serve their former employers? This is what I'm wondering. This judge is going to receive my notice and it truly is energetically powerful in its wording. If he decides that it's bogus and continues business as usual the next day because he's set in his ways and doesn't feel like altering his life in any drastic and dramatic way, and the Wells Fargo attorneys do as well, then it is the current system (powerless by its own laws on paper), denying that anything happened and then what? How would I enforce my contract which now trumps anything that this judge is technically allowed to do because he is technically unemployed? I feel powerful sending these out and am very happy to be in on the action so early on... but until this saturates society and becomes so widely known that it's impossible to deny, we/I are/am between worlds and in the old world, I may just piss the judge off which would have him rule in favor of the criminal bank. I am thinking that this would be a good reason to inform my own attorney, whom I hired last November, that it is not so much his job to defend me anymore, since his job is technically non-existent as well, but to explain all of this to the judge and in front of a courtroom full of people. They all know UCC law, therefore they are all quite capable of looking up the filings and understanding their legitimacy, right?

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I take it you are an attorney or just really know your law! I actually got to the Post Office about 15 minutes before they closed. I asked the woman at the counter if she would witness for me on these documents--basically just verifying that I am the Proponent listed here and who is signing this in front of you. I handed her my license too. She asked me what it was about, and I gave her the Cliff's Notes version and she backed away and said, "No no no!" I am a "government employee." She said I could ask one of her coworkers, but I decided not to waste my time. I will go to my credit union tomorrow have it signed and notarized even. I was thinking though. I'm a bit apprehensive about sending the notice to the judge. I have faith in the OPPT and in the mission, but one could be fairly certain that this judge is just going to get upset. Can he hold me in contempt?! Has anyone received a reply from a judge? Here's what I'm considering. I will send the notices to the two attorneys tomorrow, and hold off on the judge for now. I will then request to meet with my attorney and fill them in on what's going on and what I sent to the bank's attorneys and will then ask them to defend me based on this new law. Does that sound like the best course of action? I paid my attorney a chunk of change because he said he could keep them off my back while we fight them, for a year. This gives me until November. I would love to know that they cannot touch me or my house before then. Florida is a judicial state. Judges and their egos will be difficult to separate.

Thank you for all your information by the way. I understand it, but would need some help in implementing it--especially on their (courts) home turf!

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I just found out that I (think) need to file Motion to Dismiss (as a responce) to the papers that I recieved Sat. the 23rd saying I had 20 days to respond(in order not to be defaulted). If anyone knows for a fact please let me know.
Will H.
P.S. My wife is pressuring me to hire an attorney about this, because her credit is also affected.

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Thanks Bereagan, this information helps me allot. Will H.

Thanks Bereagun, Ive been reading more and more on OPPT. I missed your talkshoe last night and i really wanted to be on it. But family matters forced me to not be on it. Do you have a podcast or place to hear it? Thanks for everything you've done and trying to do.

Here is the web address for the call.
If anyone want to be on the list for call notifications email me at OPPTCongress@gmail.com or sign up on Talkshoe.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=126841&cmd=tc

I have a first version of a flyer for handing out to others. If you want a copy let me know. Also, I will be working on the Motion to Dismiss and additional Notice and Grace Usage templates which will include OPPT issues so if anyone wants to help or wants a copy request.

If anyone does web site development and wants to trade for documents specific to their case please let me know. Anyone who wants to donate to the effort, they are graciously accepted but not required.

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Hey there Bearagun...

I'm just wondering if you received the PDFs of my Motion to Dismiss and the bank's atttorney's Response to Motion to Dismiss that I e-mailed you the other day. I haven't received a confirmation. I did listen to most of your show the other night (still have a bit left to go), and you did a great job. I'll be doing my best to plan on attending your call on 3/5. Most people I know do not believe that anything is going to be done after 3/4, if these people do not turn themselves in. They've been looking into Snopes and trying to find out anything about the ITCCS and have found several sites claiming them as a fraud, as well as Kevin Annett. I truly hope that what I've heard is true and that there are a growing number of military from around the world, who have volunteered to change sides and are just waiting for the word to join the fight and take these people into custody for their crimes against humanity. I will withhold from sending a Courtesy Notice to the judge presiding over my conference call on 3/28, but will be mailing the two partners at the bank's lawfirm both a Notice today. I am extremely curious what, if any, their response will be. Please let me know if you received the PDF's when you get a chance, and what... if anything you might be able to do that would assist my case. Keep up the good fight my friend! Your mind's eye is open!

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Is that one of their own instruments that we can use against them?

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Looking forward to seeing it! Does it have to be filed like the UCC docs?

Well, the bank's attorneys (Ronald R. Wolfe & Associates of Tampa, FL), are the happy recipients of a pair of Courtesy Notices as of Last Thursday. I have yet to receive a response but will inform as soon as I do or do not. I can feel the changes coming... more and more each day. Word is spreading like a positive virus!